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+++ pgeu:statutes_discuss [2008/10/13 18:12] (Version actuelle)
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 **Welcome to this wiki ! You can put here any comment about the [[statutes|future statutes of the European Association]]**
-===== Issues =====
+~~NOTOC~~
+====== Issues ======
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 **Article 5** : Any individual or legal entity can be an active member of the association, provided they pay an annual membership fee. The amount of the annual membership fee will be fixed by the Board of Directors.
+http://wiki.postgresqlfr.org/doku.php/pgeu:statutes
 ==== Problem ====
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+Matteo Beccati : '' my only concern being that people living in countries with a
+local user group are required to pay, while others are not (if PG-EU
+membership is free). To me, it's somewhat discouraging people to form
+local groups.''
+Matteo Beccati : '' I'm afraid that most if not all of local
+groups will need a membership fee to be able to cover the basic costs.''
 ==== Solutions ====
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 ===== 2- Membership =====
 ==== What the statutes say ====
+check **Article 5** : http://wiki.postgresqlfr.org/doku.php/pgeu:statutes
 ==== Problem ====
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 groups themselves, and the staff/volunteers running it.''
+Dave Page : ''
+- If there is a local user group, you must join that, which
+automatically gets you membership in PG-EU.
+- If there is no local group, you may join PG-EU directly.''
+Damien Clochard : '' PostgreSQLFr is not a regional group. It is the association of the **french speaking** users of PostgreSQL. This includes people living outside of Europe ( Canada, West Africa, etc. ). So far the only official local group is IT-PUG''
 ==== Solutions ====
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 policy, might be informed that they could become members of the EU PUG
 if they want''
 ===== 3- Quorum =====
+==== What the statutes say ====
+**Article 7** : http://wiki.postgresqlfr.org/doku.php/pgeu:statutes
 In the case we don't reach a quorum by mail/irc/whatever, we have
 another meeting between 6-30 days which goes without quorum.
-=== Problem ===
+==== Problem ====
 Koen Martens says : ''
 It is mentioned "For the General Assembly to be validly constituted a quorum of 30% of the total number of members must be present or represented.". Is there no danger of the association ending up in dead water if you require such a big amount of members to be present? In my experience, only the 'die hards' ever come to these GA's anyway. I think most GA's i've been to attract maybe one percent of the members, if not less (counting represented members also).''
-=== Solutions ===
+==== Solutions ====
-== 3.a : Keep the statutes as they are ==
+=== 3.a : Keep the statutes as they are ===
-== 3.b : Lower the quorum ==
+=== 3.b : Lower the quorum ===
 Magnus Hagander : ''How about lowering the quorum, but *also* require approval by the board?
 Meaning that the GA and the board have to both agree to dissolve?''
-== 3.c : Drop the quorum ==
+=== 3.c : Drop the quorum ===
 Koen Martens : ''Now, a simple solution would be to drop the quorum. This is not uncommon. An objection to dropping the quorum could be democratic validity, but as said I think in practice you will always end up with a non-quorumed GA within 30 days anyway, so democractic calidity is not an argument.''
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 ===== 4- takeover protection =====
+==== What the statutes say ====
+Article 8 : http://wiki.postgresqlfr.org/doku.php/pgeu:statutes
 ==== Problem ====
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 members of the Board of Directors are elected for 2 years. So a complete
 takeover would take 2 years :-)''
 ==== Solutions ====
-== 4.a Keep statutes as they are ===
+=== 4.a Keep statutes as they are ===
-== 4.b : add more criterium for the member to satisfy==
+=== 4.b : add more criterium for the member to satisfy===
 Koen Martens : ''There could be any other criterium that a member as to satisfy, not necesarilly monetary. Some organisation merely require you to register, others decide membership on a 'approved by the board' basis, or whatever. The crux being that you should have satisfied the chosen criterium for at least x months already to be able to vote.''
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 ==== What the statutes say ====
+Article 5 : http://wiki.postgresqlfr.org/doku.php/pgeu:statutes
+Any individual or legal entity can be an active member of the association, provided they pay an annual membership fee. The amount of the annual membership fee will be fixed by the Board of Directors.
+Benefactor members are individuals or legal entities who pay an annual contribution determined by the General Assembly.
 ==== Problem ====
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   * Benefactor members don't vote
-===== Other ideas =====
+====== Other ideas ======
 ==== Financial Controller ====
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 that gets in third place gets one year ;)''
-===== Questions =====
+====== Questions ======
-==== Will there be certified translations available in other languages? (Koen Martens) ====
+=== Will there be certified translations available in other languages? (Koen Martens) ===
 Damien Clochard : ''Certified translations costs money :-) If we have enough money to do that, why not...''
-====Can you just make the GA electronic ? (Joshua Drake)====
+===Can you just make the GA electronic ? (Joshua Drake)===
-yes checkout Article 7
+ Damien Clochard : ''yes checkout Article 7 '' http://wiki.postgresqlfr.org/doku.php/pgeu:statutes
-===== Samples of statutes of statutes and bylaws =====
+====== Samples of statutes of statutes and bylaws ======
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   * Mozilla Europe : http://www.mozilla-europe.org/en/about/statutes/
- --- //[[damien@taadeem.net|damien clochard]] 2007/11/04 13:20//

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